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Former featured listList of Doctor Who episodes (2005–present) is a former featured list. Please see the links under Article milestones below for its original nomination page and why it was removed. If it has improved again to featured list standard, you may renominate the article to become a featured list.
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DateProcessResult
December 8, 2007Featured list candidatePromoted
December 12, 2008Featured topic candidateNot promoted
August 20, 2018Featured list removal candidateDemoted
Current status: Former featured list

Nominating for FL

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As of right now, the following sections remain to be cited(remove and update timestamp):

  • Series 3
  • Series 4
  • Series 6
  • Series 7
  • Series 8
  • Specials (2008-2010)
  • Specials (2013)
  • Specials (2022)
  • Tenth Doctor (partially)

@OlifanofmrTennant and Alex 21: I think the current prose is good enough, or will be with a few minor tweaks. When this is done, we should nom it for FL- so I wanted to as you both if you think so too, and if you would like to co-nom it, as Alex is the largest contributor, and Oli is the third largest, and has also been adding refs recently. DoctorWhoFan91 (talk) 13:20, 4 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Last updated- DoctorWhoFan91 (talk) 15:30, 4 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

The body prose is fine but the lead isn’t. It’s a lot of explaining the specific details (I.e the numbering system) and not really an overview of the list itself. Unless you want to do it I’ll have something written soon enough Questions? four Olifanofmrtennant (she/her) 16:51, 4 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Also the following things are also unsourced:
  • most of the lead
  • most of the notes in the first table
  • the AI and viewership in the first table
Questions? four Olifanofmrtennant (she/her) 17:13, 4 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I mentioned the same issue with the lead when we were discussing the feasibility of this potential topic. I remember it being a critique in a failed similar featured list candidate of mine (in terms of having the list split across decades). As we've both said, it definitely needs to focus more on Doctor Who post-2004. TheDoctorWho (talk) 18:07, 4 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I thought altering the lead to emphasis the revival would be enough; I'll check what I can find. DoctorWhoFan91 (talk) 22:47, 4 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I don't think I'll be able to help with the lead at the moment, refs for the notes I'll try to find, index and viewership I think you should just link to the classic epsiode list, as otherwise it would be too many refs. DoctorWhoFan91 (talk) 22:50, 4 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
@OlifanofmrTennant: I just realised- we have both signed up for the 2025 WikiCup, so we can get points for the FL (and also the GT), if it is reviewed in January. DoctorWhoFan91 (talk) 16:57, 6 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I completly forgot. There is zero chance a Gt makes it in January because of series 15 and also how long an FL takes. I think that at the earliest late May/July is the soonest you could reasonably get a GT. Which is better for my strategy of doing the bare minimum to pass Questions? four Olifanofmrtennant (she/her) 17:10, 6 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
If we wait till then, we would have a Series 16 article too- S15 has been in mainspace since October 2023; a line must be drawn somewhere. There is a discussion of trying a new scoring format, with no elimination on Wikipedia talk:WikiCup- that's what I was going for with basically nominating all this early around January. DoctorWhoFan91 (talk) 17:25, 6 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
I did a little digging, I found that for the old 30 Rock topic recent seasons wouldn't need to be included see: Wikipedia:Featured and good topic removal candidates/Seasons of 30 Rock/archive2 Questions? four Olifanofmrtennant (she/her) 17:29, 6 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, I know, it's per WP:GT? rule 3c, with even some current retention periods listed at the bottom. It seems 3 months is the limit, so we would have until September to promote S15. DoctorWhoFan91 (talk) 17:51, 6 December 2024 (UTC)[reply]

Recent changes

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OlifanofmrTennant As you seem to feel its acceptable to revert without a reason, here is a place for you to explain your mass removal of valid information. -- Alex_21 TALK 03:51, 4 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]

Do you have a reason for your mass removal of valid information? There is no reason for the dispute about if story numbering should be in the lead. If it should be included it wouldn't be in the lead, possilby in the series overview. Questions? four Olifanofmrtennant (she/her) 04:01, 4 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
It should absolutely be included in the prose; thus, the lead. Every other television article uses overall episode numbers; this, as far as I am aware, is the only unique situation that uses a different episode number storying (story number). Can you show me where in your edit there is an explanation for this, so that readers are aware of the importance of story number rather than overall episode number? The existance of the lead is to summarize the article. Furthermore, the inclusion/exclusion of particular stories, as noted and sourced in the prose, is of importance to the story numbering as well.
You also updated this article to include information only on recent Doctors and modern-era showrunners. The lead of this article is transcluded to List of Doctor Who episodes (1963–1989), thus meaning that your content on recent material was also transcluded there - why did you not include information on any classic era Doctor, to be transcluded to the classics era article?
If you could also care to explain why you reverted without a reason, when I provided you one?
There is no reason for the dispute There is now. I have provided you with three questions. -- Alex_21 TALK 05:46, 4 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
It shouldn't be transcluded onto the other page. Both pages should have different leads because they have different scopes. Questions? four Olifanofmrtennant (she/her) 06:35, 4 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you for barely answering my concerns.
It is partially transcluded, based on the consensus of past discussions years past. Both articles refer to the same show, hence the transclusion of the lead's introduction. Is the lead entirely transcluded? No, just the relevant introduction, and then each separate article has content relevant to its scope, per your own concern. Did you make almost the entire lead transcluded in your edit, because you moved the location of the <onlyinclude>...</onlyinclude> tags in this edit? Yes.
Maybe if you, or any of the other newer editors involved, researched this before you mass rewrote the lead into a chunk of poor grammar, and also reverted without reason, this dispute wouldn't exist. Now that you know of this, you're welcome to do so. -- Alex_21 TALK 06:41, 4 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
While the situation with story number should probably be in the lead (though, it being in the series overview wouldn't be that bad either- as it's just about using a different numbering way). However, you don't have to be this combatative every time, politeness works. DoctorWhoFan91 (talk) 06:47, 4 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I am being polite, by describing why this is an issue. It's called civility. Being reverted with a reason is not combatative; reverting without reason is. I recommend you relook at your values if you find reverting to automatically be combatative.
However, this is a talk page for content, not conduct. Best we stick to it. -- Alex_21 TALK 06:49, 4 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Also, it is in the series overview, under the "Serials" column. Perhaps change that to "Stories", as the revived era contains no serials. -- Alex_21 TALK 06:50, 4 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Flux is a serial, and it's very pedantic if we call the two and three parters of the revival serial or story. DoctorWhoFan91 (talk) 06:54, 4 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
One season out of fourteen so far. No source that I have come across refers to multi-parters as serials, and "The End of Time" and "Spyfall" were removed from a serial designation for this reason. Serials are a specific form of production. -- Alex_21 TALK 06:55, 4 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
And the serials of Classic Who are called only serials mostly. Would you like to split the list in two, if you want to argue about which of the synonym should be used in the list. DoctorWhoFan91 (talk) 06:59, 4 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
All serials are stories, but not all stories are serials. If you can't agree on that fact, "Serials/Stories" works just as well. -- Alex_21 TALK 07:01, 4 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
"a story or play appearing in regular instalments on television or radio or in a magazine.": as I said, a synonym. Should we filter out what we want to call a serial and what to call a story? But fine, seasons/serials is already there, why not serials/stories as well? DoctorWhoFan91 (talk) 07:05, 4 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
No, you aren't. You reverted, and gave the most generic edit summary ever. It fills like WP:Ownership, not a concern for the content of the edits.
It would only be content if you weren't being combative. DoctorWhoFan91 (talk) 06:52, 4 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
I apologize if that's how you... fill. Believe me, I was absolutely concerned for the grammar of the introduced lead. Re-reverting without a reason is combative. Kindly keep talk page content to content, thanks. -- Alex_21 TALK 06:56, 4 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]
Your reason in the edit summary comes off as seeming like you own the article. your mass removal of valid information. sounds passive-aggressive, so it's very much about conduct too. DoctorWhoFan91 (talk) 07:02, 4 January 2025 (UTC)[reply]